Administrators hughezee Posted September 3, 2014 Administrators Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Quick and simple way to keep your hydraulic assisted steering light and responsive, always use genuine Honda fluid when topping up no exceptions. However, if your replacing a part of the system I would say using high-quality Mineral ATF for a complete system flush and re-fill is OK With the engine shut off, extract the reservoir fluid and re-fill to the max, repeat this process as often as you like I do it once every three months and the fluid is gin clear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Laird_Scooby Posted September 9, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Inspired by Stus post i ordered a 100ml syringe and 5L of Dexron II D ATF as specified on the lid of the reservoir of my Rover 827 Sterling. Having recently indulged in one of those "kettle-ready" noodle type snacks, the empty container served duty as a temporary vessel to store and inspect the fluid extracted from the reservoir. Being white it showed all the dirt! So here i am ready to start : First bit of fluid out : A bit more out and the dirt is becoming evident : The second syringe full and you really can see just how bad my fluid was! All in all i got about 250-260ml of fluid out with a top-up between the 1st and second syringe full.. Given the fact i emptied the reservoir first before topping up, running and then taking the second syringe, you can see how much dirt this shifted! The steering is getting lighter and smoother although it still has the odd "rough moment", hopefully that will improve further when i do a couple more part changes in a few days time. Will update with more photos/experience as and when i do more part-changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators hughezee Posted September 9, 2014 Author Administrators Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Great job Dave and if all goes well, the steering will be effortless EPS systems will seem a chore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Laird_Scooby Posted September 10, 2014 Moderators Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Thanks Stu - i still have the coupe to do so that provide a bit more "entertainment". With the standard of maintenance being so low on the coupe, i dread to think how bad the fluid is in that! Time (and some pics) will no doubt reveal all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founding Member Cryistic Posted September 24, 2014 Founding Member Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 I've changed my fluid 3times this week using a similar method, makes quite a big difference to the lightness of the steering. I've been using a 500ml syringe for mine, very quick and no mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators hughezee Posted September 25, 2014 Author Administrators Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Didn't have any doubt of you getting a noticeable result just think of all those old Honda's out there with whining pumps and leaky racks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founding Member AhsyV6 Posted October 13, 2014 Founding Member Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi all, Just wanted to get an idea from the 3.0 owners as to how heavy/light their steering is? My previous 3.0 was very light and I could do a full lock with just my pinky which was in line with all the previous Hondas I owned. Whereas my current 3.0 is a lot heavier but feels very in control and "German" (I know that's probably a swear word on here) if you know what I mean? There's no screeching from the power steering pump and the belt looks fine and the fluid has never needed topping up? Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators hughezee Posted October 13, 2014 Author Administrators Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Nobody likes Germs and I steer clear pardon the pun... Last time I got Germs the steering was very light and disconnected and if the fluid needs topping up after 10 years in a honda there's a leak somewhere if you're lucky enough so far with no top ups I would recommend doing some part changes on the fluid my cars get a drop of new fluid 4-5 times a year and its lighter than EPS steering but connected when cornering A few other members have taken the plunge and there's been a noticeable improvement in their steering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founding Member AhsyV6 Posted October 13, 2014 Founding Member Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Are you saying that just replacing the power steering fluid could lighten the steering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founding Member Cryistic Posted October 13, 2014 Founding Member Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 On 10/13/2014 at 9:34 PM, AhsyV6 said: Are you saying that just replacing the power steering fluid could lighten the steering? It did on mine, I emptied and refilled the reservoir 3 times in a week to get as much of the old fluid out as possible, I noticed it slightly, my wife said it made a real difference to her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators hughezee Posted January 22, 2015 Author Administrators Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 It's that time again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackstreet62 Posted March 4, 2015 Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 what fluid do you replace it with? can you use the auto tranny fluid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators hughezee Posted March 4, 2015 Author Administrators Report Share Posted March 4, 2015 No, it's not advisable to mix the fluids as it can course foaming and the pump will start whining and it will eventually fail But if your draining the system for a repair refilling with ATF it will be fine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founding Member Cryistic Posted March 5, 2015 Founding Member Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Honda Power steering fluid isn't expensive to be honest, it comes in 1lt bottles. I've swapped the fluid out by drawing a syringe full out every other day over a week and replacing as I went along, does make the steering feel better. http://www.coxmotorparts.co.uk/genuine-honda-power-steering-fluid-1-litre-p-895.html Drop Stu (Hughezee) a PM on here he keeps all Honda Fluids in stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackstreet62 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 hi Guys can I use this to change my fluid for my power steering? "STP Power steering fluid 350ml for Dextron 2 or dextron 3? or slick 50 power steering fluid as this one stops leaks in the system? Im gonna use the syringe method of getting the old stuff out, and pour in the good stuff. cheers Edwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators hughezee Posted March 25, 2015 Author Administrators Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Hi buddy, you asked a similar question before on this topic: http://honda6.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/104-honda-shuttle-pas-fluid-part-fluid-change/ anyway it’s not advisable to mix different fluids which could start foaming up which will lead to damaging your PAS pump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackstreet62 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Stu cryistic says he takes some fluid out everyday and then replaces with new fluid is that right? do I have to use Honda power steering fluid or can I use dextron 2 or 3, which is best? didn't know about the foaming bit ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators hughezee Posted March 25, 2015 Author Administrators Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 cryistic makes a fare comment buddy, you can spread it out over a few days or months which ever you prefer using Honda fluid but if your determined not use Honda fluid I suggest a full change to avoid any issues e.g Removing the lower cooler pipe hose a leave it to drain out when cold and refill and not forgetting to bleed the system of air with the engine running and both front wheels raised of the ground turning the steering wheel a full left & right repeatedly until the reservoir level has settled. Also I would repeat this a couple of times and I would recommend a fully synthetic ATF dexron 5 or 6 nothing less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackstreet62 Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Ok Stu the post I saw was a guy who used a syringe and sucked out the reservoir and then filled back up ,is that right? on wheeler dealers there replaced the reservoir and to bleed it, there refilled and started engine and turned steering wheel from left to right to bleed system. Are you saying I would have to jack the front up and turn wheel left to right. is there a reason for jacking up the front? so if im getting this right ,cysitic sucked some of the fluid and then replaced it with new fluid? so do you suck out half and then replace it with new fluid, is that right ? theres nothing wrong with mine (fluid does look a little dark,don't know when it was changed issue!) , so its not a repair STU.. cheers Edwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators hughezee Posted March 25, 2015 Author Administrators Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yeah there a several extraction methods you can use, suck some out and refill with same fluid in regards to wheeler dealers there are number of episodes where Edd China in fact replaced major steering components e.g the steering rack itself and this would require a system bleed same if you wanted to use a different fluid to Honda fluid as the two don't mix well together. Also the reason taking the weight of the wheels is to prevent damage to valves and regulators located in the pump and steering rack, as air trapped can pop seals or allow the pump to over heat ect and finally your power steering fluid should be gin clear or restively translucent with tint of brown if the system is healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Founding Member Cryistic Posted March 26, 2015 Founding Member Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 I sucked a syringe full out every day for 4 days and topped it up, working on the same pricipal as a transmission flush, the old mixes with the new and after a few days you have good clean fluid in the pump, at no point does the pump run empty so reduces any chance of issues. At no point did i suck the reservoir dry though, always left enough to cover the outlet/inlet pipes to avoid air ingress. Cant see why you would not use Honda Fluid to be honest your making a lot of work for yourself to save a few quid, I don't really hold to everything has to be OEM on Hondas apart from the power steering fluid, couple of people I know with Civics swapped the fluid for Dex 2 and they had problems with the steering after, lack of centering and poor assistance being the main issues. I've actually heard of people using Honda PSF in other cars power steering systems to fix niggling issues but never the other way round. I've got 1/3rd of a bottle left after swapping some of my fluid out, I could feel the difference just with that 1/3 total change . 2 Bottles seem to be the full amount for a flush but I'm just swapping some out as I change the oil/check the engine over. Couple of links http://hondamotorsport.com/3-honda-fluid-alternatives-cant-afford-use/ http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2720114 http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=735431 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Laird_Scooby Posted March 26, 2015 Moderators Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Err, yeah, what Stu said or to put it another way, if you feel you must use something, use one or the other but NOT both! As for Dextron, no such fluid exists although i've seen it listed many times. The fluid in question is Dexron - there's no "T" in it. Any "T" around should remain firmly in your cup until such time as you drink it and not get mixed up with your PAS fluid. It'll do neither you or your PAS any good that way! :lol: Getting back on topic, the best thing to do would be to do several part changes of the fluid using the syringe and fresh Dexron II, allowing 4-7 days between part changes. When the fluid is coming out as clean as it went in you know you've changed it all but getting any contaminants out will improve matters. This is assuming you don't already have leaks from the rack, pump or anywhere else in the system - if so it's best to sort those first before messing around with additives that may make matters worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackstreet62 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Thanks scooby yes i get it .NO "T" , but i have ordered 100ml syringe and will be starting out with the bit by bit fluid change. I just got my offical honda PSF fluid and shall be extracting the crap outta my resivoir and putting in the good stuff. Thanks again Edwin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Laird_Scooby Posted April 1, 2015 Moderators Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 You're welcome Edwin, glad to help! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackstreet62 Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Right Guys My syringe came yesterday and its 100ml, so i withdrew 100ml and replaced it with genuine honda fluid (its Clear,is that right?), so i'll be doing that until the bottle is empty.when do you think i see some notice of change guys?also as the existring fuild is red and my HONDA fluid is Clear, would this be a problem? Edwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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